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manni_pr 52T
492 posts
9/2/2024 6:25 am
Of Top/Bottom vs Dom/Sub

This is a topic that I still some people having a bit of difficulty understanding and grasping. It is very understandable for beginners (although I have seen seemingly experienced folks too) to often confuse the concepts of Top and Dom, and bottom and sub since in many cases and instances, for practical purposes, they may be mean the same, but each of these terms are fundamentally different. I have seen these terms being addressed in the past by some of the most prolific bloggers here, most of them explaining this differences very well so I didn't think I could explain it that much better. However, very recently, I ran across this image while surfing online. I feel that it breaks down these concepts quite clear and well so I figured I'd share it. Some folks may be more visual after all. Hope it helps.

(Note: this website can be a bit clunky at times and the image may or not be available due to system bugs. If you cannot see the image right away, wait a few hours and try again later)


drmgirl622 69F  
26821 posts
9/2/2024 6:38 am

The visual is perfect, manni! A picture truly is worth a thousand words.


All4TheMistress 56M  
1871 posts
9/2/2024 7:15 am

Very good explanation!


rydermandel 70M  
2226 posts
9/2/2024 7:28 am

manni, I love visuals, and I love this one. It is beyond clever, there is depth here, whenever you have to stop and let it sink in. I like it. And a very cool design.


whiteslut4u2use 70M
63 posts
9/2/2024 7:29 am

I am definitely a sub bottom. I love having my ass beat along with other types of punishment or whatever you want to call it and having my ass fucked/pegged anyway possible.


slaveforyou365 63M  
4819 posts
9/2/2024 8:01 am


ExNameForUse 54F
5962 posts
9/2/2024 8:49 am

When they say a picture speaks a thousand words... great post and explanation, manni, thanks so much, I think I may keep and share it if you don't mind me doing so...


likesmatures 55M
5097 posts
9/2/2024 8:54 am

Great visual

Buttt...it leaves out the concept that topping or bottoming is more than sex..

It's more like the whole general dynamic between the couple.

I bottom sexually...but i love being passive....I luv men hitting on me,asking me out,I love a man being active...

So it's more than just a sexual position

It honestly is closer to a Dom/ sub...both have a role..you have to be one or the other for this to work...and you work as a team..you feed off each other's energies and give off vibes

Sex is just sex..

I think there is a lot more to being a top or bottom than inserting a penis


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/2/2024 12:27 pm

    Quoting drmgirl622:
    The visual is perfect, manni! A picture truly is worth a thousand words.
Yes, drmgirl, exactly what I thought. Totally concur with you


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/2/2024 12:28 pm

Thank you much A4TM!


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/2/2024 12:30 pm

    Quoting rydermandel:
    manni, I love visuals, and I love this one. It is beyond clever, there is depth here, whenever you have to stop and let it sink in. I like it. And a very cool design.
Thanks for the support, my good friend. You, of all people, motivate much to come out of my lil cave every once in a while LOL!


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/2/2024 12:31 pm

    Quoting whiteslut4u2use:
    I am definitely a sub bottom. I love having my ass beat along with other types of punishment or whatever you want to call it and having my ass fucked/pegged anyway possible.
Definitely, whiteslut... you shall always pursue that which rocks your boat


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/2/2024 12:34 pm

Ha! That's very sweet and flattering of you sfy365. Unfortunately, I lean much to the sub role as well. Nonetheless, please know that I absolutely and genuinely appreciate the interest


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/2/2024 12:43 pm

    Quoting ExNameForUse:
    When they say a picture speaks a thousand words... great post and explanation, manni, thanks so much, I think I may keep and share it if you don't mind me doing so...
I totally agree with you, ENFU. I totally saw it the same way as you the moment I saw it. And yes, absolutely, you can use it to further the education of our community. By all means, spread the gospel to those who need it as I truly believe that that was the main intent when I bump into it.


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/2/2024 1:30 pm

    Quoting likesmatures:
    Great visual

    Buttt...it leaves out the concept that topping or bottoming is more than sex..

    It's more like the whole general dynamic between the couple.

    I bottom sexually...but i love being passive....I luv men hitting on me,asking me out,I love a man being active...

    So it's more than just a sexual position

    It honestly is closer to a Dom/ sub...both have a role..you have to be one or the other for this to work...and you work as a team..you feed off each other's energies and give off vibes

    Sex is just sex..

    I think there is a lot more to being a top or bottom than inserting a penis
I truly appreciate your perspective and opinion. However, I do not agree that the visual limits the Top/Bottom concept to a sexual action only or to the penetration of a penis. It clearly establishes that it can be an "insertion" or an "action", and such actions are any physical engagement that can be deemed either "active" or "passive" and can also be a dynamic other than sex (thus the word differentiation between "insertion" and "action") depending of the role. Such actions can be, for example, impact play like spanking or flogging; or rope play where a rope rigger (top) ties up her/his rope bunny (bottom). I do understand how the image silhouettes could immediately give the impression you are explaining, but I see the "silhouettes" as one type of action which, in this case, and I would think that the creator of the visual may have had a couple having sex in the visual since sex may be the action that denotes the Top and Bottom roles most of the times, specially if you are a beginner coming straight from the vanilla word; but not necessarily the only. To me, like I said, reading carefully the dialogue bubble should dispel this limitation notion. Could the creator have used an extra silhouette image or two to further clarify this notion? Maybe; but in the end, seeing the entire context of the visual and considering all the info included when read carefully, no, I do not believe the creator of the visual limited the Top/Bottom box to sex only.


bdsmDOMdaddy 61M
4776 posts
9/2/2024 5:47 pm

lmao!…many need educating manni good post sums it all up nicely!


likesmatures 55M
5097 posts
9/3/2024 4:57 am

Mani I disagree...the pic clearly shows a sexual position..
Just by adding the word " action" doesn't really explain a relationship/ dynamic between top and bottom..

To Joe and Jane vanilla that visual just comes off as sexual..

And sure it's good enough to explain what guys do sexually..

I think it fails a bit when it suggest tops,bottoms are physical and dom,sub is psychological


JohnnyLightning 65M  
10151 posts
9/3/2024 6:28 pm

Nice chart.

Howling at the moon and mal ad osteo.


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/5/2024 4:24 am

    Quoting bdsmDOMdaddy:
    lmao!…many need educating manni good post sums it all up nicely!
I know, Cowboy! That's what I thought too LOL!


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/5/2024 4:26 am

    Quoting likesmatures:
    Mani I disagree...the pic clearly shows a sexual position..
    Just by adding the word " action" doesn't really explain a relationship/ dynamic between top and bottom..

    To Joe and Jane vanilla that visual just comes off as sexual..

    And sure it's good enough to explain what guys do sexually..

    I think it fails a bit when it suggest tops,bottoms are physical and dom,sub is psychological
I respect your opinion, but I think it is spot on.


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/5/2024 4:27 am

Thank you Johnny!


aliljaded 54F
9259 posts
9/16/2024 4:15 am

I adore the photograph. Visual information is unparalleled in its self-explanatory nature, making it easy to comprehend. Thank you for sharing it. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I hope this note finds you well.
~xM

"Men need to hunt. She obviously understands this. She’s offering herself as prey. Not easy prey. But willing.”


manni_pr 52T
2788 posts
9/17/2024 3:48 pm

    Quoting aliljaded:
    I adore the photograph. Visual information is unparalleled in its self-explanatory nature, making it easy to comprehend. Thank you for sharing it. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
    I hope this note finds you well.
    ~xM
Thank you much. Means a lot. But all credit to the image's creator. They covered pretty much everything. Genius.



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